Broken English with Rumanian Stand-Up-Comedy-Legend Victor Patrascan

00:00:00: Hello dear listeners, this is Louisa.

00:00:02: I'm the nanny for Hazel and Thomas' children among other things And i speak pretty good English because i lived in London & The USA For a long time.

00:00:10: so im doing This intro.

00:00:12: Today's podcast.

00:00:13: guest is Victor Patrescan.

00:00:16: Victor Is stand up comedian from Romania who is homeless & constantly on tour.

00:00:21: He performs exclusively In english with his show comedy in broken English.

00:00:26: With this show, Viktor plays over three hundred shows a year.

00:00:30: Has performed in over sixty countries and some places.

00:00:33: he even perform the very first English language shows ever!

00:00:37: Victor has performed in dictatorships & crisis zones.

00:00:41: He performed stand-up comedy In a bunker in Kiev after The Russian Invasion... ...has been to Lebanon And now by chance he's performing at the Kulturhaus in Frankfurt where Hazel and Thomas grabbed him for short interview.

00:00:55: By the way Thanks to the technicians at The Couture of Frankfurt for their understanding and help.

00:01:00: Feel free to check out Victor Patreschgun's Instagram page & website for dates, he is always on-the-go and regularly in Germany!

00:01:09: By the way, Apples really do come from Kazakhstan – a new pages form Anne Franks Diary have actually been found where she wrote jokes… both things Victor mentioned... You can find more information in show notes as always If you're listening to this episode, speak good English and happen to live in one year's Stockholm.

00:01:27: You should know Hazel will be performing her show Still Awake In English at the Hotel Rival on March eighteenth.

00:01:34: It'll be recorded there And tickets are still available.

00:01:38: We also ask for your understanding of course that Victor & Thomas speak broken english.

00:01:44: if That somehow bothers you please don't listen To This Episode but tune-in again next Monday To everyone else, we hope you enjoyed this experiment.

00:01:53: Here are Hazel Thomas and Victor Patrescan in Frankfurt!

00:02:18: Victor, it's so nice that you are here with us.

00:02:21: I can't believe you're real!

00:02:26: So nice to do this

00:02:28: for the invitation.

00:02:29: A few

00:02:29: months ago Thomas was in Barcelona and he talked to a club owner...

00:02:36: wrongly.

00:02:36: So James Striegel, I don't know he looks like James Regal.

00:02:43: He's

00:02:43: perfect.

00:02:43: Yeah so

00:02:44: anyways Thomas asked this James Streegel

00:02:46: and so he suffers a lot.

00:02:49: He asks him what are some very interesting comedians throughout Europe?

00:02:54: And he said there is one guy from Romania

00:02:57: who is

00:02:58: crazy!

00:02:59: And he goes anywhere.

00:03:00: Like you will go literally into a hole where there is a microphone

00:03:06: in Uzbekistan.

00:03:07: I've been to Uzbekstan, yeah and i'm going back!

00:03:09: You

00:03:10: were the first person to perform stand-up comedy in English... ...in both Uzbekstans and Kazakhstan?

00:03:16: And Kyrgyzstan..and then few other countries as

00:03:20: well.

00:03:22: What made you become this mythical figure of the stand up comedy

00:03:26: scene?!

00:03:28: There was no plan.

00:03:29: that just turned out like this, I started traveling during the pandemic.

00:03:34: During the pandemic it would go to countries where he was legal for shows.

00:03:39: so people were allowed social gatherings with PCR tests and masks on And then I just learned how to move from one country to another.

00:03:48: Then, let's see what is happening in Kazakhstan because I didn't know anything about Kazakhstan and when i go there people are lovely.

00:03:54: It's much different than the documentary Borat.

00:03:57: That was so disappointing.

00:03:59: The only thing that people knew about Kazakhstan Is that... Do you know that apples come from Kazakhstan?

00:04:05: Apples!

00:04:06: The fruit apple!

00:04:08: The first people who domesticated horses were the Central Asian-Turkish Turkic people The Kazakhs, Uighurs.

00:04:14: Oh wow, that's crazy.

00:04:16: So you as a stand-up comedian know more about the Kazakh culture than probably most historians do?

00:04:25: No, no.

00:04:25: I just know enough to do a joke.

00:04:28: Okay So

00:04:29: you have like a bullet list?

00:04:31: A list of bullet points in mind when You go To a new country and you're Like.

00:04:34: so i gotta ask the cab driver this i got to check The supermarket for This.

00:04:39: now i go with the flow because what i've noticed is When i plan things very neatly they don't turn out well.

00:04:46: it Just feels force and wooden like For example at shows.

00:04:50: i do a lot Of crowd work right.

00:04:52: It's kind The show transformed into such a weird thing and Sometimes people before the show come to me says like oh my friend, you know He has one testicle.

00:05:02: And I'm like okay You've ruined it.

00:05:06: Okay How much percentage is crowd rock depends

00:05:13: on how

00:05:15: long are shows?

00:05:16: Depends sometimes between an hour or two hours.

00:05:22: Just every show is different.

00:05:24: Sometimes people don't want to talk, so I have stuff to say.

00:05:27: sometimes People wanna talk that i dont' Have time to say anything.

00:05:31: but it's mostly shows only with you.

00:05:33: or are You doing

00:05:34: just me at the moment?

00:05:35: It's just me.

00:05:36: no break an hour and a half two hours and A half

00:05:39: ideally in audience.

00:05:40: yay yeah

00:05:41: last Time i checked you traveled through i think sixty countries.

00:05:46: how many now?

00:05:47: i

00:05:47: think over sixty Yeah

00:05:49: But mostly European countries

00:05:51: in Asia,

00:05:55: but you also traveled to Hong Kong and

00:05:58: Japan Vietnam Malaysia.

00:06:01: Any country's you travel to?

00:06:02: where?

00:06:02: You say it's just not possible to do the shows there because their regime is too strict or whatever.

00:06:08: I don't think i can go back To certain countries...I can't Go Back..i believe to Azerbaijan!

00:06:12: I Think It Just Snuck In One Time Did A Show But I Don'T Know If Its Possible To Go Back.

00:06:19: Probably countries like I don't know, North Korea or China or Russia.

00:06:23: It would not be possible to do it in certain

00:06:25: areas.

00:06:25: Seven countries that

00:06:26: I wouldn't go

00:06:26: to?

00:06:27: Okay!

00:06:27: Like...I don't want to go to Russia, America, Israel right now maybe Saudi.

00:06:33: That's just a little bit too much.

00:06:35: America?!

00:06:36: Yeah i don't.

00:06:36: you

00:06:37: don't wanna

00:06:37: go into

00:06:37: American now?

00:06:38: No interest

00:06:39: Because of your heritage?

00:06:42: No, it's just too complicated.

00:06:43: I have to prove myself that i'm worthy To get a visa and i don't want to be part Of this type of bullshit.

00:06:48: But

00:06:49: like Canada or maybe South

00:06:51: America Maybe oh is south america working on doing This summer...I'd love to go to Mexico Or Argentina.

00:06:57: Go Brazil.

00:06:58: Just talk with people.

00:06:59: They need the food And see what they're thinking.

00:07:01: Do you

00:07:02: then in preparation Learned a little bit Spanish ?

00:07:05: Or do you just speak English ?

00:07:08: No, it's like Google.

00:07:09: you know translates You know this is like the technology.

00:07:12: He don't have to know anything You know he.

00:07:14: just go there and figure out that as we go.

00:07:16: Do you think that stand-up?

00:07:18: Is uniquely English.

00:07:20: do I think like like if like its impregnate Impregnated in the in the fabric of the.

00:07:27: absolutely now every where they go There are local comedy scenes Sometimes in English actually most time in English The small ones for the foreigners.

00:07:39: the locals create small scenes in English.

00:07:43: There's one in Frankfurt, I don't know if you notice... Yeah

00:07:46: there

00:07:46: is

00:07:47: a huge comedy scene in Berlin and The thing is that the German scene.

00:07:53: they Don't even know the english-speaking comedians And

00:07:57: it was

00:07:57: like a parallel culture.

00:07:59: What do you think?

00:08:00: Is the reason behind this huge English speaking scene in berlin

00:08:04: How many foreigners there are and how easy it is to organize shows.

00:08:08: And the fact that they're free, you know?

00:08:12: People ask for donations at the end.

00:08:13: I think thats a huge thing about Berlin

00:08:18: compared to Frankfurt is that they have multiple shows an evening.

00:08:21: So the people see people coming out in a good mood, and they're like oh what's this?

00:08:26: Oh there's another one.

00:08:27: let's go honey!

00:08:28: Berlin is the best place.

00:08:29: do stage time.

00:08:30: if you are young comedian and need stage-time You can do two or three shows every night in English.

00:08:37: Do you think that Berlin has the stand up capital of Europe right now?

00:08:42: Yeah,

00:08:43: yeah.

00:08:43: I think it's better than London.

00:08:45: the level is very.

00:08:46: you know.

00:08:46: You can see some amazing people like people where your life?

00:08:49: i never imagined that comedy could be Like this.

00:08:52: but It's very difficult to do two shows.

00:08:56: you get booked for five minutes and they ask you To stay there otherwise They don't book you again.

00:09:02: The competition is very fierce.

00:09:07: Didn't you have your stand-up upbringing in Berlin?

00:09:09: Yeah, that's why I talk badly about it because i regret wasting so much time there In Berlin?

00:09:15: Not in Berlin but London!

00:09:17: But I

00:09:18: thought you had a stand up upbringing in berlin.

00:09:20: No no...I started coming to Berlin I think in the year of twenty sixteen.

00:09:24: Okay.

00:09:24: Yeah, slowly do cosmic comedy Do local shows you know tackle heads to like?

00:09:29: You know Like the shows that are started by other comedians.

00:09:33: and there's two interesting things about this stand-up culture in Europe.

00:09:37: And one is I think The English speaking stand up culture which was really big in a lot of cities.

00:09:42: on the others the notion that the Culture shifted after the pandemic.

00:09:49: why it's bad Why did certain areas like Barcelona, for example.

00:09:54: They had I think twenty comedians before the pandemic and afterwards they have that five hundred now or so?

00:09:59: yeah So it's like... It flourished afterwards.

00:10:04: Or say Lisbon plague?

00:10:07: I don't know if The pandemic necessarily has something to do.

00:10:10: i think is just online.

00:10:12: the fact that, you know a lot of people have started posting stuff online and it's becoming so... You know?

00:10:17: It's democratized.

00:10:19: Like wheels or...?

00:10:20: Yeah!

00:10:20: Because there used to be like..you need to know somebody in order to get to show.

00:10:25: how do we get booked?

00:10:26: but now kind of…a lot of peoples knows all these comedians.

00:10:30: everybody talks about How To Do Open Mights, How To Start Out ,How To Write Material.

00:10:35: So it's just more accessible.

00:10:36: I think is a convergence of different factors.

00:10:39: Do most people who go to your shows know you from Instagram?

00:10:44: Now, i think its starting become part.

00:10:47: the audience knows me online But there are some people that say let us see something.

00:10:55: This is quite European Comedy, stand-up comedy is totally international and that's what I love discovering.

00:11:01: Like i go to Kazakhstan in Almaty the second city...the second largest city ...in Kazakhstan amazing like landscapes.

00:11:08: it's like The Alps ,The mountains..the food....the people are lovely.

00:11:11: there is a very big comedy scene In Kazakh ..In Russian And A small one in English.

00:11:18: It doesn't make sense, but this is the thing.

00:11:20: We think of Europe as being something special But it's not.

00:11:25: there is quite a big comedy scene in Tokyo and Bangkok In Singapore

00:11:29: get these gigs.

00:11:30: how do you approach people?

00:11:32: Do I know someone who knows some?

00:11:34: I work completely independently.

00:11:36: I worked with a tour manager, Holly Bley.

00:11:38: She finds the venues and i promote them And produce myself.

00:11:42: It's totally hundred percent independent thing.

00:11:45: You like Tom Cruise

00:11:46: but you don't save lives?

00:11:48: You just tell

00:11:48: jokes.

00:11:49: I'm like Tom cruise.

00:11:50: A

00:11:50: little bit Right!

00:11:51: I

00:11:51: thought that we were friends

00:11:53: But how do make sure That your don't invest in gig?

00:11:58: the venue doesn't exist anymore.

00:12:00: I saw something like that, does it happen?

00:12:02: Because sometimes we live in a countryside and travel to a restaurant on Google with good reviews but then they just don't exist any

00:12:09: more... Well you talk about them!

00:12:11: You ask for

00:12:12: a photo

00:12:13: of the venue.

00:12:16: Yeah, there is that risk.

00:12:17: Actually in Thessaloniki about two years ago I had an issue with the venue that closed and they forgot to tell us it closed.

00:12:25: but then we found another theater and was fine.

00:12:27: Would

00:12:27: you ever consider traveling without doing a show?

00:12:31: Why would i not do a show like...I love doing this!

00:12:34: Like nobody's making me do this.

00:12:36: This just so fun And i don't know where this going..i dont even know how did started.

00:12:44: It's just an amazing adventure.

00:12:45: But

00:12:45: don't you need time to re-energize?

00:12:48: Because for a lot of people... These questions

00:12:50: are so German, but how do you prepare

00:12:52: them?

00:12:52: Very efficiently!

00:12:55: I have to sometimes arrange stuff with comedians or manage certain happenings with comedies.

00:13:02: For example yesterday i went recording on the show in Hamburg and he played two shows back-to-back.

00:13:12: Where?

00:13:12: At Central Committee.

00:13:13: It was a birdland or something, it's also like a jazz club and really cool.

00:13:19: I was

00:13:19: in Hamburg yesterday as well!

00:13:20: Really?!

00:13:21: Yeah yeah i just came from Hamburg... Oh wow

00:13:23: we could have gone together!

00:13:26: And you know Hazel Place comedy shows back to back too but there is certain point of Exhaustion at some.

00:13:34: yeah,

00:13:35: but everybody's tired like this is such a weird complaint.

00:13:38: Like we live our dreams We get to tell jokes.

00:13:40: people come to see us.

00:13:42: You know they.

00:13:42: you could do it like one hundred shows a month and you would be just

00:13:45: fine on average three hundred per year.

00:13:49: Okay And

00:13:50: you don't have an apartment.

00:13:52: no five weeks.

00:13:53: so do you miss anything about having an apartment?

00:13:56: No

00:13:57: What's funny when you're sick?

00:13:58: probably do travel?

00:13:59: When your sick.

00:14:00: Yeah, just like yeah.

00:14:02: But everybody like mothers cannot say that there is not feeling good.

00:14:07: You know I mean people who have responsibilities they can.

00:14:10: so we're living a dream Like yeah That's fine but i think everybody's tired Everybody's exhausted.

00:14:17: Yes life right?

00:14:19: We have two small kids and I

00:14:22: love

00:14:22: the idea of being able to have a break every once in a while.

00:14:26: From

00:14:26: the children, that's why you're on the road?

00:14:28: Exactly!

00:14:28: Yeah.

00:14:29: and then I'm like oh i'm sick of the road so let's go see my children again.

00:14:33: No

00:14:33: no...I have no children or responsibility.

00:14:37: We don't want to ruin it for your children.

00:14:39: we are just super curious Absolutely yeah.

00:14:41: You know what I

00:14:41: love doing this

00:14:42: when sometimes you have TV productions or whatever When I am in a room like these two months from seven in the morning But I'm

00:14:53: not in the same room like yesterday.

00:14:55: I was in Hamburg today, am here tomorrow in Cologne The next day.

00:14:59: but what

00:14:59: are you saying when that?

00:15:00: When i'm like In the dark for too long right yeah...I need to re-energize Like a nature and it's like touch of tree or do whatever You know.

00:15:07: okay go outside going sun.

00:15:09: I'm from Romania.

00:15:10: we don't touch.

00:15:10: this is a very German thing No So

00:15:15: you never have liked.

00:15:16: so this energizes.

00:15:18: I mean it's just the people

00:15:20: like.

00:15:20: so cool tonight has been sold out for three weeks.

00:15:24: Some of the nicest audiences are the people in Frankfurt.

00:15:28: they're smart, educated and politically aware.

00:15:31: They come to talk or debate.

00:15:33: It is a pleasure!

00:15:36: Its an honor To be able do this.

00:15:39: So if

00:15:39: you got offered a gig Like, like some artists get to have a residency in Vegas

00:15:46: and

00:15:46: you got a residency.

00:15:48: In the city of your dreams?

00:15:50: I

00:15:50: just jump off at the top of hotel.

00:15:51: if i'd had a residence in Vegas.

00:15:53: Okay so what would your ideal Vegas be for a residency?

00:15:57: And do it... For example after Christmas uh around New Year's I've been going one town for last year Just doing small venues and shows every day.

00:16:07: But y'know..I go to Paris Walk around eat bread.

00:16:10: Do you

00:16:14: drink and

00:16:15: smoke?

00:16:15: No,

00:16:16: okay.

00:16:16: I went to Rome a few months ago between Christmas and New Year's And i was in Rome.

00:16:22: You know just walk around this museum.

00:16:24: It's gorgeous

00:16:25: But where...I mean it is also super German question.

00:16:28: Sorry but Where do you pay taxes?

00:16:30: In

00:16:31: Romania?

00:16:31: Yeah!

00:16:32: I'm building new roads in Romania

00:16:35: Nice.

00:16:36: Thank you, so that I can go tour there

00:16:39: with

00:16:40: my high expectations!

00:16:41: What kind of SIM card do you have?

00:16:44: I have an eSIM from Romania and I just charge it everywhere i go.

00:16:54: So prepaid yeah

00:16:56: okay...so you have everything you need but don't Like friends or family around you?

00:17:04: I don't understand why people like, uh...like friends and families.

00:17:07: They're the worst in the world!

00:17:08: Yeah it depends on if your talking about a family that comes from them Or do they come out of their

00:17:13: own family?

00:17:14: No i think all of them.

00:17:15: But then you have the perfect life.

00:17:17: Statistically,

00:17:17: it's scientifically proven that... ...the worst people in the world are those who know.

00:17:21: I

00:17:22: mean is true?

00:17:23: That every bad person has a family or comes from relatives?

00:17:28: The most violent by far isn't like the family violence?

00:17:32: Ninety

00:17:32: percent of time the person most likely to murder someone knows you!

00:17:35: And you know why?

00:17:36: Because they know.

00:17:37: You know, two days ago I talked to a woman who is getting into kickboxing and her boyfriend was an instructor in the garden because when something happens it's not considered domestic violence.

00:17:53: so

00:17:54: that very German thing of what to tell police later on.

00:17:59: do any exercise.

00:18:00: no I mean, now i'm just

00:18:01: like asking questions

00:18:05: where you already know the answer.

00:18:07: So how does your day look?

00:18:08: Like you're just traveling

00:18:10: and then... I wake up go to train station get a sandwich coffee Get on a train.

00:18:16: do admin in the train Get off the train Go to hotel check-in take a shower goto show And

00:18:23: what's your favorite vehicle to travel with?

00:18:25: I love the

00:18:27: trains.

00:18:29: A town center-to-town center, you have a plug... It is fantastic!

00:18:35: The trains

00:18:35: are the best.

00:18:36: Do you

00:18:38: think you're waiting for me in Germany or Japan?

00:18:40: No no never.

00:18:42: I don't think the train has been on time here since the nineteen forties.

00:18:48: Japan they were very weird.

00:18:52: Sweden has great.

00:18:54: Really?

00:18:54: Because I was

00:18:55: in

00:18:56: Switzerland, Austria... But Sweden!

00:18:59: I was so late and they didn't even announce it because i did too sure.

00:19:02: Yeah but it's mysterious.

00:19:04: No its not.

00:19:05: when you speak a little bit of Swedish like You hear people getting upset.

00:19:09: yeah And It is called a Snelltog which means it comes from German Schnellzug Which means rapid train.

00:19:16: but Snell in swedish means nice.

00:19:19: So They just translated

00:19:20: it wrong.

00:19:21: Yes, so in Swedish it means nice train.

00:19:25: In English it mean snail train and in German it means fast train.

00:19:29: I think that happens every time you translate from languages into english something It only sounds silly.

00:19:38: The

00:19:38: train goes

00:19:39: fast.

00:19:40: You have a show called stand-up comedy in broken english.

00:19:44: Do you Better for people whose English is not so good.

00:19:49: So audience member who's first language, which is not English?

00:19:52: Is it maybe even better to listen to a comedian whose first language isn't

00:19:57: English?".

00:19:58: Yes

00:19:59: because what I've seen... For example when i go the UK or Ireland like the native speaking countries The immigrants don't understand the locals or a language, the words that they use.

00:20:12: The references that they used.

00:20:13: Yes but when everybody is foreigner you know we're all kind of sharing the same

00:20:20: universal culture because it was really... It was bit of risk for us to do content in English and I

00:20:27: really like this podcast as a risk.

00:20:30: No

00:20:30: no!

00:20:31: I mean one hundred years ago so not anymore.

00:20:36: But only people who Complain about my quote-unquote bad English are Germans.

00:20:42: Yeah, like Americans they don't give a fuck because

00:20:44: somehow They feel that you're representing all of them.

00:20:47: Yes just by there.

00:20:48: Like how can I speak so with such as thick accent blah blah blah?

00:20:52: At least i'm able to talk to a Romanian guy You know I mean.

00:20:56: otherwise we

00:20:56: were another German.

00:20:57: yeah We're all talking him right

00:20:59: yes.

00:21:00: So um I never really got that kind of complaint Don't you have like?

00:21:04: because we or Hazel in particular love to perform, but we kind of almost hate everything about traveling.

00:21:13: Aren't there

00:21:13: things that you don't like about travelling?

00:21:16: Like I dunno...

00:21:17: Checking in and out!

00:21:20: You know what i hate when the receptionist doesn't find your name And then she or he acts as if this has never happened before.

00:21:29: It's clearly your job and it is clearly your fault That its not working.

00:21:33: right now Eight out of ten times, they find you under the name.

00:21:37: You were telling them before?

00:21:39: They get paid minimum wage and they hate

00:21:42: being there.

00:21:42: but it's too much like I would do

00:21:47: what i really hate.

00:21:48: when order a late checkout always act like everything will be fine in the key never Locks in after the late checkout and I always double checking.

00:21:58: Yeah, but they always say like no it's gonna work

00:22:01: It never works.

00:22:03: small stuff Like this i mean if you do it three hundred times a year You have super annoying stuff at home as well.

00:22:10: So

00:22:12: yeah just packing everything Just making sure that got everything.

00:22:16: How

00:22:17: many items to own?

00:22:19: Two bags

00:22:20: And there are full with like fifty items each.

00:22:22: Yeah, socks you know a camera... Are you like

00:22:27: one of those people who was always on time, or has time?

00:22:30: I would

00:22:30: say rushing.

00:22:31: You're always rushing through the train and always way too late.

00:22:35: There's no... It's like..I find that I don't usually do podcasts because all these questions are sometimes late but some days.

00:22:44: they aren't early.

00:22:45: Like i have no rules for nothing.

00:22:47: This is whatever happens.

00:22:48: I try to be on time.

00:22:50: We are biologists trying to pin down your features.

00:22:53: I feel

00:22:53: like you have Jane Goodall and David Attenborough looking at them...

00:22:56: Yeah, yeah!

00:22:58: It's just so interesting

00:23:00: because she saw so many things.

00:23:02: just to get all this information for example i mean yes And I would just want to ask you about the stand-up scene there.

00:23:09: Yes, because we can't travel a lot... ...because children who have school and kindergarten are

00:23:18: still an option for adoption.

00:23:22: It's true!

00:23:22: Because it rhymes?

00:23:23: Yes.

00:23:24: I'm sure that is a family in Romania that will be happy to have some German children.

00:23:28: That would be tough on our kids like

00:23:31: they're

00:23:31: used to

00:23:32: the

00:23:33: Germans like society and I think the Romanians are much more happy.

00:23:38: Yeah, but you can go to Bishkek.

00:23:40: Do

00:23:40: you know that actually people in Germany... Like there were people who recommended this to us That they said get someone from Romania They will pay And just pay them for Romanian wages.

00:23:52: Then take care of it.

00:23:54: No!

00:23:55: Not because i don't like romanians But would be super weird.

00:24:00: Here's the best thing.

00:24:00: You dont even have to pay them in money Fingernails.

00:24:04: Yeah, Romanians are big.

00:24:07: Ass gas or grass?

00:24:08: I don't know

00:24:10: what that means but it rhymes so its probably good.

00:24:13: This is a list of cities where i heard of becoming big when they come to stand up.

00:24:18: What do you say about Vilnius

00:24:20: for example?

00:24:21: Oh Vilniuse is lovely!

00:24:22: They have like huge comedy club which sits upto six hundred people.

00:24:25: It's this huge... place where they would fix I don't know, airplanes during the Second World War or something like this.

00:24:33: The people are great!

00:24:34: The Baltic countries are fantastic.

00:24:35: you can do a little tour from Finland and Helsinki To Tallinn.

00:24:40: From Tallinn you take a bus to Riga, from Riga you take train to Vilnius and then we can also do like second cities.

00:24:45: You know

00:24:46: I really want go to Tallinn because there's big film festival in Tallinn once the year And it supposed be...I think wasn't Tenet or one Christopher Nolan film shot in Tallin?

00:24:56: I don't watch Christopher Nolan films.

00:24:57: i have taste.

00:24:58: i'm sorry

00:25:00: Snap!

00:25:01: Yes

00:25:02: Tallinn is fantastic.

00:25:03: you know Ari Mati who's now on Kill Tony and Joe Logan, he is from Estonia.

00:25:12: He sold the most tickets in the biggest venues.

00:25:16: No,

00:25:20: he's truly

00:25:22: fantastic.

00:25:23: I'm like a very boring kind of oh You know let's talk about genocide type of person He's.

00:25:28: you know his fun is entertainer?

00:25:30: He just does all sorts of stuff.

00:25:32: please

00:25:33: tone it down.

00:25:37: I mean what school about him as that it shows that People in the US are finally finding Europe Style cool and like it's.

00:25:46: oh,

00:25:47: let's give them a cookie.

00:25:48: Let's get him an award.

00:25:49: Yeah that finally they're acknowledging the rest of the world as being human beings.

00:25:52: yeah I have no interest in going to the u.s.. That is just so like all you learn how to do this.

00:25:57: i'm Like go off You know can I swear here?

00:26:03: Please

00:26:05: listen to those interview where he said big admiration for U.S culture.

00:26:10: and how come that there was a... Because

00:26:12: I've seen the rest of the world, i've seen how naive and indoctrinated I was about.

00:26:16: you know exactly the same thing.

00:26:18: it's like oh there is comedy in Berlin?

00:26:22: And I'm like yeah!

00:26:23: Of course it is people laugh as well.

00:26:26: this what I love about traveling.

00:26:29: It challenged my own narrow-mindedness.

00:26:34: The more that I do this, the more that i'm excited to go new places and see what type of food they eat.

00:26:42: What do you think it's appropriate?

00:26:45: But what I am discovering is humanity everywhere in people who want to talk about stuff... ...that are interested or feel at same pace with other countries like Azerbaijan which is one of the strictest dictatorships.

00:27:05: People came to the show and they were like, They wanted to have their humanity confirmed in a way.

00:27:14: Their

00:27:14: hip!

00:27:15: You know?

00:27:15: They're aware of what's happening at work but not stuck because people are prisoners of government.

00:27:20: Yeah

00:27:20: yeah I think ideology is never problem.

00:27:24: when you talk with people face-to-face It's NEVER a problem.

00:27:27: You can always ask someone for a glass of water or something...

00:27:32: And the people are so nice.

00:27:35: It's so beautiful to see yourself in their eyes and to see the world.

00:27:40: And it is just fantastic!

00:27:43: I've truly changed my mind on, not change my mind like i had a different opinion entirely... ...it really showed me part of humanity that was probably not aware of.

00:27:54: But don't you sometimes have situations where people suffer so much?

00:27:59: You see such suffering as if they cannot take anymore?

00:28:04: At some point,

00:28:04: yeah.

00:28:04: But those are the people who need comedy the most because this is a thing.

00:28:09: The places that you go to where people are really suffering they Are the ones who tell the most jokes.

00:28:16: Like I went to Ukraine and the first guy I met in Ukraine was a guy Who tells me men last night?

00:28:21: They're building across from mine got bombed.

00:28:23: now my view It's so much better.

00:28:28: Like Palestinians told me jokes, like about an Israeli visiting Palestine and at the border his ass nationality in.

00:28:34: the guy says israeli And then he goes occupation.

00:28:36: nah just holiday this time.

00:28:37: You know that's a street joke That everybody tells because I've heard it joke about Russian visiting Ukraine or about the Russians visiting Poland The Russian visiting Georgia About the Russian visiting Kazakhstan.

00:28:46: you know Russians have visited a lot of places.

00:28:49: Its humor most necessary in those type of times.

00:28:54: It's like a pressure valve, sometimes the pressure could be too much that... In order to stay sane people use jokes Like.

00:29:03: I talk about this quite a lot.

00:29:05: Anne Frank had jokes on her diary.

00:29:07: Do you know what it

00:29:08: is?

00:29:09: Yeah Her father took out the page because mostly the jokes are about him getting chlamydia from prostitutes.

00:29:14: Oh

00:29:14: really?!

00:29:15: And he didn't know Jeffrey Epstein or Bill Gates at the time together.

00:29:17: good medicine.

00:29:20: He removed the page, but someone found it a few years ago and republished.

00:29:24: And what do Dutch women in mattresses have in common?

00:29:30: German soldiers sleep on both.

00:29:32: Oh wow

00:29:34: That's quite good for a twelve

00:29:38: year old girl.

00:29:40: I think

00:29:40: everyone of us felt the urge to laugh at the funeral But that's

00:29:49: when humor is necessary.

00:29:52: I went to Lebanon in January, people want to laugh.

00:29:57: they need to laugh.

00:29:58: it's fantastic!

00:29:59: It's a beautiful experience.

00:30:01: its transcended.

00:30:03: yeah just makes your heart feel...I go to Turkey.

00:30:08: quite often People don't talk in Turkish A lot specifically about their situation but then come on the show and say them in English.

00:30:17: They can joke about stuff in English.

00:30:19: But don't you have restrictions sometimes when you're in Georgia?

00:30:26: Yeah, I'm banned from Georgia so...I won't go back but i have European Union passport.

00:30:31: that's fine.

00:30:34: Perception

00:30:35: of Romania changed by the way people see Romania, because you're always like being confronted.

00:30:41: Oh!

00:30:42: You are Romanian so blah blah blah.

00:30:43: Not necessarily about how people see Romania but how Romanians see Romania.

00:30:48: I think that's what... How do they

00:30:49: see themselves?

00:30:50: That is where i learned when i left Romania and how romanians see themselves And it was just very nationalistic Very narrow Like everybody, you know.

00:30:58: Everybody has blind spots sensitive nerves framings of history that are nationalistic because the politicians want to keep power and take more lands.

00:31:11: so I've learned about the ignorance.

00:31:17: Eastern European countries have the problem that they're too harsh on themselves.

00:31:21: They are always, I don't know super like

00:31:25: a bunch of horrible people anti-Semitic races misogynistic homophobic Of course because

00:31:32: we kind of have a lot of friends in Slovenia and there's always like super almost depressed about themselves.

00:31:38: You live in Eastern Europe,

00:31:40: but they are so heartwarming people you know?

00:31:42: They're the most friendly and lovely people... Yeah

00:31:45: at the same time this is a thing!

00:31:47: People aren't just racist or homophobic-they also have family that they care for it.

00:31:51: This is the weirdness of humanity.

00:31:53: Horrible people also

00:31:57: have great parties

00:31:59: Yeah, as well.

00:32:00: But for example one of the things that I've noticed was um i thought there are a lot of things That house thoughts were unique to romanians.

00:32:10: but then you travel and you realize like oh everybody does this.

00:32:12: it's human You know?

00:32:14: Like humor like stand-up comedy The way that you said is european.

00:32:17: It's not Europe Everybody, I'm sure.

00:32:19: in Burkina Faso they tell jokes too.

00:32:22: They go on stage like now trying to get some African countries because i want see what's happening there and im starting follow african comedians.

00:32:31: this is amazing.

00:32:32: look at these crowds everybody laughing talking about its beautiful.

00:32:37: which africans country are you going first?

00:32:39: I would like to go to South Africa Kenia Kenia maybe Nigeria.

00:32:46: I'll see where i can go and build on top of that.

00:32:50: What about

00:32:52: Luxembourg?

00:32:53: I'm going to Luxemburg actually in a few days, okay there's a comedy club there uh...and there is the comedy scene.

00:32:59: it was fantastic Yeah.

00:33:01: And what about Lisbon?

00:33:03: Oh,

00:33:04: fantastic!

00:33:04: The Portuguese speak English very well so a lot of the locals come to the shows.

00:33:08: Portugese and Porto are some of my favorites.

00:33:11: like South Europe is really fun because people want to talk a lot.

00:33:14: right in the north of Europe People don't really interact that much but In the south of Europe Like I don't even have time To tell them you know prepared material they're like.

00:33:22: no talk to us.

00:33:24: You know there's one Of the biggest Portuguese enclave Right here where we live like a lot of people from Porto actually who live in near Frankfurt.

00:33:34: That could be,

00:33:35: but don't you have... I mean there's this probably misconception about southern Europeans that they don't really like to learn English that much?

00:33:50: Do you have any

00:34:13: non-verbal jokes?

00:34:15: Non-verbal jokes, not intentional.

00:34:18: Sometimes depending on my diet...

00:34:24: Or the way you say it?

00:34:25: Do actually write jokes when your constantly on tour?

00:34:28: No!

00:34:29: My brain does not work like that.

00:34:31: I have to kind of figure out stuff as i go

00:34:33: And do always film shows and then cut off best parts or...?

00:34:36: Cutout.

00:34:37: basically there's a lot of stuff which can't be posted online because of various reasons.

00:34:43: It's

00:34:43: too raunchy or out-of-context?

00:34:46: Out-of context, it is people sharing stuff that I would get them in trouble.

00:34:50: you know People from dictatorships come to the show and they say stuff where i'm like this was amazing.

00:34:55: we're talking about this but This will never be... Do people

00:34:58: sometimes leave From your show Like they are?

00:35:00: like?

00:35:01: You cannot say all

00:35:01: these things.

00:35:02: Not very often Because if you feel like now people Come because they know what I do But Sometimes They Don't.

00:35:08: I have Israelis Leave.

00:35:10: I have mostly Israelis.

00:35:15: You probably don't like to answer this question as well, but what are the worst European countries for stand-up comedy?

00:35:21: There's no such thing because everywhere is the same... This is a weird way of looking at things.

00:35:28: there's not good country or bad country

00:35:30: Because in France there isn't that big English stand up comedy scene.

00:35:37: But again,

00:35:38: we don't work... nobody works with the scene.

00:35:41: These ideas industry, comedy scenes are made by promoters to keep us captive.

00:35:49: There's no such thing.

00:35:49: there is people and they will go on a show or they could go to a theater.

00:35:54: They don't have to

00:35:55: tell me this, I mean i'm just the guy with microphone

00:35:58: very much on your side.

00:35:59: yeah but it's

00:36:00: like...I work independently..i go directly to the audience.

00:36:03: if people want to come ,they come and watch the show.

00:36:07: you

00:36:07: know that we do everything independently as well.

00:36:09: actually quite unique in Germany Hazel doesn't have any management or anything

00:36:14: isn't freeing?

00:36:16: there is no such thing as industry

00:36:22: trying to explain comedy from a passionate standpoint, someone who gets everything but the passion.

00:36:30: Like when they just look at it objectively... It doesn't make sense

00:36:37: because sometimes talks with people will say like Oh no, I have to go there and tell those jokes.

00:36:42: And I didn't even write them in blah-blah.

00:36:44: here's the things like why are you doing this?

00:36:46: Like what

00:36:47: can do with anything else?

00:36:49: or

00:36:49: she gets invited through red carpet events on a daily basis.

00:36:52: that never goes to any of them because it just doesn't care about it.

00:36:56: yeah

00:36:57: You know What i hate.

00:36:58: when people who Are very attractive and clearly have opportunities To do other forms of entertainment Yeah they choose stand up.

00:37:08: I

00:37:10: don't understand why people don't write their own stuff.

00:37:11: You know, like that they have writers or... That's

00:37:13: weird also when you're just playing a person who is citing things from there.

00:37:19: life.

00:37:20: There are so many thing to talk about.

00:37:22: Stand-up comedy is one of the rawest forms of art.

00:37:27: It actually..I would like to disagree here slightly.

00:37:30: Please do!

00:37:31: I think it not art.

00:37:33: Okay what

00:37:33: does stand up comedy better than art?

00:37:36: Because it does whatever art does plus is funny.

00:37:39: It's a superior product,

00:37:40: okay?

00:37:41: So but we can agree on the fact that stand-up comedy very reduced because you keep saying We listen to this one Third culture podcast with you where you keep repeating and I think that's true You only need a stage A microphone and some lights.

00:37:57: You don't even need a microphone, stage or light?

00:38:00: Exactly you just need a voice And people listening to you.

00:38:03: so do you think that because of the Reducedness Of The art form it works So well throughout different cultures?

00:38:10: yeah Because I Think the more you put on top of an Art form the More you get aware of where the country is like.

00:38:20: On a timeline It's almost Like like a time travel between countries, so in England pop music is much different from Kazakhstan.

00:38:31: Because of the internet it's not hugely different.

00:38:36: You know, there's some really cool artists in Kazakhstan.

00:38:38: that makes really good music.

00:38:40: Like the playlist I have for this show... ...I've got songs from all over the world.

00:38:45: One of them is Kazakhstan and when people hear it they're like what are these?

00:38:48: And i'm like it's from Kazakhstan!

00:38:50: But I just think stand up due to its reducedness almost has a timeless aspect because you can listen comedy albums from like the seventies and still

00:39:00: find them funny.

00:39:01: A lot of them don't translate, there's very few people that have done comedy to translate because to the place or time in terms of language.

00:39:18: For example, it's very difficult to listen to Lenny Bruce because he is talking like a hippie from the sixties and I don't understand words...

00:39:26: Don't you find this soothing just how he talks?

00:39:29: But for all his faults with Alan we can listen to him and jokes are still working today!

00:39:36: Yes..I

00:39:36: have some problems with some comedians that they're too closely tied to a certain culture that I just don't understand.

00:39:46: For example, Cat Williams... Yeah!

00:39:48: ...I'm probably not black enough to get his jokes.

00:39:51: he does like references...

00:39:52: But there is this thing in Germany where comedians from Munich talk about certain stuff in Munich Where they go to Hamburg and the people on Hamburg are like.

00:40:01: we don´t know that...

00:40:02: Gerhard Bolt He's big comedian in Munich Like legend In Hamburg.

00:40:08: no one knows him.

00:40:09: But also, like this is an issue sometimes with younger comedians when they start traveling.

00:40:13: For example... They grow up and develop in Berlin And they developed the jokes about Schleses et Thor and U Acht Then go to Leipzig.

00:40:23: People in Leipziger don't know what u acht

00:40:27: means.

00:40:27: Sometimes in certain areas I mean Jokes need more explanation

00:40:32: Or change the word or reference something that's local.

00:40:36: That makes sense locally.

00:40:37: I always, when they first performed in Switzerland because Hazel is from Switzerland.

00:40:44: When i still performed comedy... ...I asked her like what's the Swiss version of

00:40:54: it?

00:40:54: Like a cultural translator almost.

00:40:55: The

00:40:56: comedy scene in Switzerland was one of the best in Europe.

00:40:59: What?

00:41:00: In

00:41:00: which cities?

00:41:01: Zurich, Basel, Lausanne and a little bit of Geneva.

00:41:05: Does Ahlet do it there in Zurich?

00:41:07: Yeah but like really good people you know there's Chris Darwa, Mateo Guterath Richard Cunha.

00:41:16: See these are names I have never heard

00:41:18: off Leila Ladari.

00:41:21: I'm missing so many people right now.

00:41:24: Very talented people.

00:41:25: which cities are best in UK outside of London or Dublin?

00:41:29: They all speak English, but you know the problem is when everybody speaks English.

00:41:34: Everybody comes to show.

00:41:36: In countries where people don't speak English natively The audience is curated just by this simple fact that You have to speak English to a level Where you can go to a show entirely in English.

00:41:48: and isn't it?

00:41:49: also?

00:41:50: Tonight there's going to be people with master degree, doctors, engineers.

00:41:55: People...doctors of all sorts of medics, economists, very smart people so we can talk about stuff that you cannot talk to bricklayers in Hollywood.

00:42:09: Do you still participate in roasts?

00:42:11: No no I don't have time for anything.

00:42:13: but this Like, I've dedicated my life just exclusively to this.

00:42:17: What did you like

00:42:17: about roasts particularly?

00:42:19: Because i love all kind of roasts.

00:42:21: At the beginning they were exciting because it was new.

00:42:24: The Roast Battles.

00:42:24: we started within a year from them starting in the US.

00:42:29: We started with a guy in London and... They're exciting.

00:42:35: But now that's just same.

00:42:38: Oh!

00:42:38: You have AIDS.

00:42:40: You know, you look like a pedo and I'm okay.

00:42:42: It's kind of formulaic after awhile so it just kinda gets boring.

00:42:45: but at the beginning... ...it was an interesting joke writing exercise.

00:42:49: for how long did do stand-up?

00:42:51: For no

00:42:52: thing about.

00:42:53: I started about fourteen years ago.

00:42:54: what made you start

00:42:56: as a childhood dream.

00:42:57: So you were in Eastern Romania.

00:43:00: Yeah

00:43:01: In house that your grandparents built with

00:43:03: their hands.

00:43:04: yeah

00:43:04: And then you saw somebody performing sign up Seinfeld.

00:43:08: Yes, I found on a CD with all sorts of pirated stuff about forty two minutes of Seinfelds... ...I'm telling you this for the last time.

00:43:19: it blew my mind but before that they used to tell street jokes.

00:43:22: You know just jokes jokes, you know we're Romanian or French guy and an English guy walk into a bar.

00:43:28: type of stuff

00:43:28: Isn't Seinfelt is example of comedian who aged really well like material age superbly?

00:43:34: It depends Not everything, but yes I think a lot

00:43:38: of stuff because it's

00:43:40: pure human experience.

00:43:42: It is not specific to any place.

00:43:44: He has travelled through the world and he was aware...

00:43:47: And family friendly.

00:43:50: But also you know stuff like Chris Rock.

00:43:52: when i heard him just blew my mind that someone had so many opinions about everything.

00:43:59: And I'm like, this is

00:43:59: amazing!

00:43:59: And he's got such a great voice to yell it out...

00:44:02: Just everything.

00:44:03: and then you get into this and discover the greats.

00:44:06: You discover Norm MacDonald and Brian Regan.

00:44:11: keep track of your shows, like.

00:44:13: do you have some kind of a list for all the countries that you travel to?

00:44:17: Is there something like The Best Show You Ever Had or is it always The Next Show.

00:44:23: What I'm worried about?

00:44:23: today's show and tomorrow's show

00:44:26: are just the most process-driven.

00:44:29: just person but

00:44:31: think.

00:44:31: Because there's nothing to be thinking about like why?

00:44:34: Like yesterday I'm thinking about the show.

00:44:36: is that something interesting in this show, Something so unique That i would like to share with people who didn't come?

00:44:43: So that's how I think about the videos.

00:44:45: Oh, is there something interesting?

00:44:46: Something cool like maybe someone said something interesting or... Maybe i managed to find a connection really unique in this show and let us share it with people outside.

00:44:57: but otherwise yeah just...

00:45:00: Have you ever

00:45:01: had an aha

00:45:02: moment while talking to somebody on the crowd?

00:45:04: An aha moment where all of time!

00:45:07: That why the people are so interesting.

00:45:13: People's experiences are fascinating.

00:45:15: I talk to refugees, people that tell you about their experience and stuff they've been through... ...about the countries or the legal context in which they find themselves just every day.

00:45:28: because people already know your very crowd work based.

00:45:33: Do they sometimes lie?

00:45:35: They make up a story so it seems more interesting.

00:45:37: It doesn't work when we do this.

00:45:39: Yes!

00:45:39: Sometimes yes There's no complete logic within what they're trying to present, and it just falls flat because I'm confused.

00:45:49: You know what i mean?

00:45:49: And then do

00:45:50: you point out

00:45:52: or... Yes sometimes I go like okay!

00:45:56: Sometimes there are aspiring comedians that come on the show who want take part in it but try not to joke about them.

00:46:05: I want an honest person and try to be as honest as i can.

00:46:09: And if they're honest, we have a conversation that maybe something interesting comes out of

00:46:14: it.".

00:46:15: Has there ever been moment where somebody was like the topic about crowd work?

00:46:20: In the end you said people didn't appreciate it being funny for the rest of the crowd?

00:46:28: No... Sometimes what do people ask at the end is please don't post this anywhere!

00:46:33: And

00:46:33: then you obviously

00:46:34: respect them.

00:46:36: If people tell me that they don't want to answer something, I don't force it!

00:46:39: I ask...I don't pick random people out in the audience.

00:46:42: I've asked people to volunteer so its not like the front row because i have learned a lot of people do'nt like this at all.

00:46:49: Yeah

00:46:49: and there is such huge difference between talking with someone voluntarily and forcing him to dig their deepest secrets like consensual sex or rape.

00:47:02: Well, that's a very strange example.

00:47:04: Yes it is

00:47:05: though

00:47:06: metaphorically yeah I mean

00:47:09: i'm not suggesting you are raping

00:47:11: your audience but

00:47:13: do you have um is the crowd work like Always part of your show or that does it always fluctuate through crowd?

00:47:22: Yeah,

00:47:22: yeah.

00:47:23: It's a weird me I don't know how to describe.

00:47:25: Don't

00:47:25: have like we're in fifteen minutes off crowd work fifty minutes of comedy?

00:47:28: fifty minutes

00:47:29: sometimes depends on the show.

00:47:32: If they don't want to talk i have stuff to tell them

00:47:34: And if they don't know what you're going to talk about right before.

00:47:37: There are themes that I go through, there's things that i try to get across.

00:47:42: uh...about everybody's humanity and how different we start off as.

00:47:48: ...and then How We Come Together As An Audience.

00:47:52: What I find fascinating is That You Talk To People and Everybody Goes Like Oh!

00:47:56: I'm From This Part Of The World ,I'm from this continent, I'm from whatever and Then Everybody Is Laughing At the same thing.

00:48:03: So I'm like, how do you think your different from each other if you laughed at the same things?

00:48:08: Isn't this... This is most beautiful thing but it's kind of what i am trying to get with every show.

00:48:14: But some shows its just crowd work.

00:48:17: Some shows are material because they don´t want talk.

00:48:19: For example when I was in Moldova And I was talking to a guy after the show, and he said we've been treated very harshly by history.

00:48:30: Life is tough but at least God gave us cheese!

00:48:35: And I'm like, what?

00:48:35: Oh yeah.

00:48:36: We're the only ones in the world who have

00:48:37: cheese.".

00:48:38: What are you talking

00:48:39: about?!

00:48:42: But everybody has this kind of thing!

00:48:44: You talk to people and they ask them... ...what type of food do you think you've invented?

00:48:46: They tell you stuff like bread or cheese.

00:48:50: It's almost as if we had these codes for our family.

00:48:53: For us it was always my father when winter came.

00:48:57: he said now that we need to put oranges on the radiator And nobody does that, but it became like a running gag for us.

00:49:05: Every country has the same I think and you are detective very slowly but very meticulously picking up these things.

00:49:13: Victor!

00:49:14: It was such joy talking to you...

00:49:16: I feel this is very boring.

00:49:18: how do you pack what type of deodorant we

00:49:21: have?

00:49:22: A million years.

00:49:23: We don't want to spoil

00:49:25: your comedy, you know we do not really wanna give it... It's just like a small sample of comedy here and there but with people who really see your comedy through experiences.

00:49:34: I

00:49:36: have already said that the podcast was over But now i would add something You mentioned I'm telling for last time by Jerry Seinfeld.

00:49:45: That is first thing ever Got in touch with.

00:49:49: that had crowd work because the last track is just called Q&A and it's Just him answering questions, and he just came to me when you mentioned It.

00:49:57: That was the first time In my life I was i think maybe thirteen years old And I heard that and I was like that Is a genius way?

00:50:06: To perform.

00:50:07: just talk to people and then make it as interesting As the rest.

00:50:10: I did not get to see The q&a but I have the pirated version Right, and it wasn't the complete.

00:50:18: but

00:50:18: you saw him because I only got to see

00:50:20: just audio like forty minutes.

00:50:22: Forty two minutes of audio And I didn't even know who he was.

00:50:26: i found out later?

00:50:27: I Didn't know what a lot of things that he was talking about was.

00:50:30: But the thing that uh To me was impressive with someone at some point in The show yells out I love you Jerry any is Like.

00:50:37: we need to see other people.

00:50:42: So the crowd work.

00:50:43: I think this Is.

00:50:46: It's a new thing in the culture, but crowd work is part of stand-up.

00:50:51: I think that way we understand stand up here in Europe through specials where they're clean and filmed at theaters... But this isn't how comedy or stand-ups ever were.

00:51:02: Bill Hicks talks about the rules for comedy as one material when you don't have anything else to say.

00:51:10: So the true nature of comedy is in-the moment.

00:51:14: It's no fourth wall, it's chaos!

00:51:17: In a bar... The waiter comes in and knocks stuff over.

00:51:21: Now that's the show.

00:51:22: Yeah

00:51:23: you know there's like a bridge between comedy & jazz I think because comedies are often performed at Jazz Clubs and stuff Like improvising.

00:51:32: basically You have More than just songs with you.

00:51:38: and

00:51:38: but it's not just improvising.

00:51:39: It sometimes is material.

00:51:41: Sometimes, it's in the moment something.

00:51:42: It's just whatever its It's undefinable.

00:51:46: do you sometimes think I have often Compaired Hazel was when people don't understand at all what she's doing like my parents or anything?

00:51:55: I always compare her to some kind of DJ.

00:51:59: they say Laughing is like dancing dancing with their brain and people and hazels like Showing people.

00:52:07: I feel like this track.

00:52:08: I can show you maybe the strike and

00:52:09: I don't know if that works because DJs Don't play their own music most of time.

00:52:15: Some do, I mean By

00:52:16: the way have a USB cord sticking out my ass during my show.

00:52:21: tell me Victor.

00:52:22: um

00:52:22: i think it's more.

00:52:24: i Think louis said this where he compared The audience to the instrument instrument of a musician.

00:52:31: i think the audience is the instrument And the instrument changes every night.

00:52:35: So you just need to figure out how to play a different instrument every night.

00:52:38: Because

00:52:39: I mean, You could ask the question... We all know the answer because we do this everyday or experience it every day.

00:52:45: but what's the difference?

00:52:49: What people seek in laughing together and compared with laughing alone?

00:52:57: Dancing alone is kind of sad but dancing with lots of people is nice!

00:53:02: I

00:53:04: don't know if they expect to laugh with other people necessarily, it just ends up happening like that.

00:53:12: But

00:53:12: why is laughing contagious for example?

00:53:20: Yeah,

00:53:28: but I mean laughing is a sign of relief and the definition of in-group out group.

00:53:49: You

00:53:52: shouldn't, like let your face show it to the

00:53:55: bottom.

00:53:56: Yeah sometimes I say something and i'm like...I didn't expect you to laugh at that!

00:53:59: I didn't even know what it meant but you laughed at it?

00:54:02: And then okay lets move on.

00:54:03: It was so nice having you here.

00:54:06: Thankyou very much for having

00:54:07: me Having us here..having you in our podcast And

00:54:09: great to meet you!

00:54:11: I wish all the best and fantastic that you're working independently.

00:54:15: So we

00:54:16: will just keep going.

00:54:18: We're doing things that have never been done before.

00:54:20: This is so amazing, right?

00:54:23: Like

00:54:24: now they just say it.

00:54:24: I can feel

00:54:25: this podcast like you know.

00:54:27: remain your from Switzerland Your German right.

00:54:29: i'm from Romania.

00:54:30: how Is this happening?

00:54:32: yeah

00:54:32: crazy The

00:54:41: person from the Philippines.

00:54:45: Thank you,

00:55:08: Victor!